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Happy Fourth of July ! To all the nice people here!

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Jul 2 in Other - Entertainment by Rooster (5,506 points)

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Ladyhorse Jul 2
You do the same!! :-D 

 Something is wrong here...I "answered" once but it was not posted :-(
Virginia Ladyhorse Jul 2

Hi Ladyhorse, that happened to me also, couple times yesterday...but for me it seems to be straightened out now, things posting okay today...

Marianne Ladyhorse Jul 3

Happy Independence Day to you, Ladyhorse.

By the way, our friend Dan (who deals with our technological problems) will celebrate his Independence Day on August 15.

:)

Virginia Jul 2

Thank you Rooster! ...and the GIF is beautiful...

Marianne Virginia Jul 3

Hello Virginia,


a wonderful Independence Day to you!


By the way, our friend Dan will have his Independence Day on August 15.


Our neighbours in France will celebrate on July 14th (Bastille Day), in Germany on October 3 (Unity Day), in Austria on October 26, and Italy's Festa della Repubblica was celebrated on June 2.

For our friends from the UK, "Trooping the Colour" took place on June 17:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/what-is-trooping-the-colour-and-how-can-i-watch-the-queens-birth/

(I know that T(h)ink loves to listen to Celtic music, bagpipes and drums.)


Our own National Day is set on August 1.


Virginia Virginia Jul 3

Marianne, I spent a delightful few moments in your link about Trooping the Colour...I can recall listening to the coronation of the Queen in 1953, it came over the radio in the kitchen of my childhood home in Old Willapa, Washington State...very big deal, I was eight years old! I also looked up more about some of the royal family; I can recall the international hubbub over Princess Margaret, and her first love Peter Townsend...and now, I read about her death.

That is very fine research, you looked up the various Independence Day celebrations!

*** Oh, and then I looked up the Swiss National Day...and learned it refers back to the year 1291...amazing! We learned about William Tell when I was a child, is there much mention of him in Switzerland now, would you say?

Marianne Virginia Jul 4

Lol - thank you, Virginia - well, our William Tell was a myth, much like many heroes of the past, and his story is still popular, like many other, very similar characters in Norse and other legends:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tell

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palnatoke

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agilaz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ullr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Bell

or, another legend,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_von_Winkelried



Marianne Virginia Jul 4
Yes, also here, there were series of documentaries about the English "Royals" and their tragic stories, and Lady Di was the most popular. Sadly enough, Princess Margaret was not much mentioned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Margaret,_Countess_of_Snowdon

Virginia Virginia Jul 4

Oh Marianne, I looked at your first two links, and oh how I enjoyed them! I hope William Tell is at least partly true; I have loved him from childhood. Plus, in the 1950's the Rossini overture was the theme song for The Lone Ranger!

Even his death legend is heroic: Tschudi also has an account of Tell's death in 1354, according to which he was killed trying to save a child from drowning in the Schächenbach River.

And then this from the second link, I did not know this, I thought William Tell's apple was unique! "Palnatoke (Toko) was forced by King Harald to use a single arrow to shoot an apple from his own son's head as the boy ran downhill. The legendary motif of the great archer forced to shoot an apple from his son's head appears among other Germanic nations, as the story of Egil in theÞiðrekssaga, William of Cloudesley in an English ballad, Hemming Wolf in Holstein, Puncher in an Upper Rhenish legend in Malleus Maleficarum, and most famously William Tell in Switzerland."

Virginia Virginia Jul 5

Marianne, I hope Princess Margaret eventually found some happiness, or at least some peace...does not look like it, however, from your link...

Marianne Virginia Jul 5

Oh yes, all these stories, myths and tales show quite a few links between the different populations, nations and cultures, and quite a few of these legends might have a few real bases, as fiction has often a small part of real events - or may combine several examples of embellished deeds and various glorified people.

Take, for instance, the Frankish, military leader Roland (under Charlemagne) or El Cid, i.e. Rodrigo, the Castilian nobleman:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cid

or Brunhilda of Austrasia, having, eventually, inspired Brynhildr (Think referred to the Nibelungen, lately)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunhilda_of_Austrasia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brynhildr



Marianne Virginia Jul 5

Yes, Virginia, sadly enough, she was imprisoned in her royal, artificial and too stiff surroundings - in this case, money could not buy much happiness.


Virginia Virginia Jul 5

Marianne, I remember Tink's mention of the Nibelung Bridge...

I looked through your links; does not appear these folks had much happiness in their lives, either, but certainly the stuff of music and legend!

Marianne Virginia Jul 5

Yes, Virginia, the great majority of all these legends and myths has tragic stories and issues.

Virginia Virginia Jul 5

Marianne, I have read that Elizabeth truly loves all the trappings of royalty, of being queen...strange how the two sisters seem so different, there. It appears Margaret suffered from the effects of both smoking and alcohol, for example. 

In your link, the author Gore Vidal is quoted as saying that Margaret was too intelligent for her station in life...

Marianne Virginia Jul 5

Yes, Virginia, they said that Margaret should have been given the opportunity to study and to go to the university. I am convinced that she would have been happier to be active in a more challenging domain and more independent too.


Marianne Virginia Jul 5

Perfectly analysed, Virginia! :)<3

Virginia Virginia Jul 5

Well Marianne, I am glad you and I were able to spend just a few moments, remembering Margaret's life with a bit of tenderness and sympathy.

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Marianne Virginia Jul 5

Me too, Virginia; you are reminding me of many, partly forgotten themes.

It is really good to have you as friend. :)<3<3


Virginia Virginia Jul 5

And you likewise, Dear Marianne. 

Marianne Virginia Jul 6

<3<3<3

Virginia Virginia Jul 6

Marianne, as I look back at our conversation...I thought of something I read long ago...do you recall ever reading that the great Goethe had a sister? That she is believed to be as intelligent as he, wonderful insight and spirituality, like her brother; but because she was a woman, all avenues to express her talents were closed to her? Then if I recall, she died young?

Marianne Virginia Jul 9

Oh yes, she was his only surviving sibling who made it into adulthood, and she was educated much like her brother and as intelligent as him (and even wiser); yes, she suffered from the burdensome conditions of being a woman in these times, and she died too young, at the age of 26:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelia_Schlosser


Maybe that Charlotte von Stein had something in common with his beloved sister, whom he lost too early:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_von_Stein


But Goethe had too many relationships ...

Virginia Virginia Jul 12

Hi Marianne...the link gives information that seems to suggests Goethe's relationship with Charlotte von Stein was a romantic one? I found both the links quite poignant. With sister Cornelia it does sound like there are also some early traumas, perhaps some early mental instability or frailty? She blamed her father for making her study too much, and depriving her of the joys of childhood; well, I suppose we can not now ever know the whole story...

Anyway, thank you for some insights into Goethe. I have admired him so much I seem to have idealized him, when he did after all (like all of us) have human frailties.

Marianne Virginia Jul 13

Lol - you're very welcome, Virginia.

Goethe was said to have had quite a few romantic affairs - like so many of the idealised heroes, writers, painters, musicians, philosophers, leaders and other celebrities. But in these times, women had no real saying.

And yes, Frau von Stein was probably one of his preferred romantic relationships.


Virginia Virginia Jul 15

Marianne, I seem to recall that Goethe fell in love with a working class woman, working in a factory. She came to live in his home, but he would not marry her...not until she became ill, and then he married her on her deathbed?

Marianne Virginia Jul 18

I am not quite sure, Virginia, are you referring to Christiane Vulpius?

The story is, though, a bit different:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiane_Vulpius


Virginia Virginia Jul 19

Yes Marianne, I feel certain the woman I was remembering was Christiane Vulpius...but they married ten years before her death!

I looked up Goethe on Wikipedia...he is too sexually "free" for me...his defense of pederasty for example...but I did like this part very much:

Goethe was also a cultural force, who argued that the organic nature of the land moulded the people and their customs—an argument that has recurred ever since. He argued that laws could not be created by pure rationalism, since geography and history shaped habits and patterns. This stood in sharp contrast to the prevailing Enlightenment view that reason was sufficient to create well-ordered societies and good laws.

Marianne Virginia Jul 20

Yes, Virginia, I fully agree with you, the geographical, climatic and natural environment, the resources, knowledge and conditions were rarely respected, and you can't delete history and sequels of disasters and wars; it is like with the inviduals - you cannot standardise and categorise person's abilities, skills and handicaps, beliefs, thoughts, experiences, emotions, and/or feelings according to market requirements - nobody can love or hate on command, and the natural chemistry involved is still insufficiently explained, while our justice systems fail too often. On the other hand "enlightment" should help to understand better the other person and to help them to evolve.

Virginia Virginia Jul 20

Marianne, I am coming rather new to the ideas that capitalism and the demands of markets cannot define the limits of humankind...but clearly, you have already given this much thought!

Marianne Virginia Jul 20

Well, Virginia, our planet has its limits, and our systems are neglecting quite a few physical and mental aspects - or omitting certain potentials.

Virginia Virginia Jul 20

Marianne, as for omitting certain potentials...I am learning from you that Europe, the home of my ancestors, has many maybe more of the same quandaries as here in the USA...

Back to the idea of Goethe, that the organic nature of the land moulds the people and their customs, I remember traveling through the beautiful Sonoran desert of Arizona in 1997 - and I realized; 

We have come from Europe, and never really made a connection with THIS land. 

We never really allowed ourselves to become attuned to the land here...we brought our houses and our culture, and pasted all that over the top! That was quite an insight, an awakening, for me...

Happy Fourth of July Rooster and everyone at Questions. Love the firework streamer Rooster. I cant wait to watch the fireworks from my balcony on the Fourth of July. They have the fireworks at the beach 4 miles away and we can see it from our house. Its great. Wish you could fly out and see for yourself, we could always cook you up an extra burger. lol

Marianne Jul 3

Happy Independence Day !


To my friends across the Ocean:

may this day of bright emotion

be more than a festive notion,

or abusing of some potion;

it is not one day's devotion

for a mercantile promotion.


Think about your true vocation,

and, whatever your location,

don't forget, it is your nation,

nature's gifts and life's pulsation;

while your people seeks salvation,

there's some space for contemplation!


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