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The Marxist True Believers never quit?

Tink! I somehow missed this Q...and I am interested...

I am reworking my long-held negative opinion of Marx, because I realize now I was just absorbing Cold War propaganda without any direct reading of Marx, and so I found your article useful, helpful.

I do think we need to take another look at Marx; NOT for the sake of promoting socialism, but the fact that his predictions on capitalism have proved so accurate. Articles like this give me some perspective without going through DAS KAPITAL which I do not want to do. The author indicates that Marx did not really say much "about exactly what it would take for communism to become reality, or how it would function." So those horrendous murderous experiments of the 20th century really went off half-cocked!

“He (Marx) shows that the source of value in capitalism is living labor. He also shows that capitalism nonetheless tends to eliminate living labor as a necessary dimension of its development,” Nesbitt says. That contradiction means capitalism is never stable, but forever shifting in and out of crises: The system depends on human labor while simultaneously eradicating it (my emphasis).

... Marx analyzed capitalism as a social system, rather than a purely economic one (my emphasis). “Humans and human relationships depend on our place within the system of capitalism itself,” says Nesbitt. “If we don’t find a place within the system as individuals and human beings then we live under exclusion.”  (And now I am wondering how much of our violence problems USA & elsewhere reflect capitalism as a failed social system.)

Long story (very long, sorry) short? I think we need to pull together all the best information we can, sit down with a clean sheet of paper and do our best to discern wholesome directions for our for example, last night I viewed for the 2nd time a documentary on Carl Jung...even took notes...because I think our economic and social systems are handicapped by poor understanding the inner workings of who we are as human beings.


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Born by the Willapa River 1944 in the timber outback of Southwest Washington State.
Spending my retirement saving the world, and I am only 90% joking with that!


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Marianne the bouquet is beautiful, I love it!
May 24, 2017 by Virginia
Okay Marianne, I actually was assuming we were following already...let me check, I will make sure to do that now!
May 23, 2017 by Virginia
Dear Virginia,
Thank you for answering; yes, it works. Private messages can be exchanged between friends who follow each other. If you wish to follow somebody, go to their personal page and click on the star on top, on the right. If the star turns yellow, you are following the other.
May 23, 2017 by Marianne
Dear Marianne, I am not sure I know how to do a wall post, but giving it a try!
I am not very good at advice, but always glad to hear from you, yes please do leave a post...
May 23, 2017 by Virginia
Hello, Virginia
Good morning to you!
May I ask you for advice, in private? Thank you.
May 23, 2017 by Marianne
I also tried to chat with you but the first was not posted and I thought I hit the wrong key so I tried again and know I hit the right key but it still did not get posted...then you left. Stupid me, thinking these "walls" were private...
Apr 29, 2017 by Ladyhorse
I am so sorry, Ladyhorse. I do know that things like that happen in the medical profession, all too common, I am afraid.
Apr 28, 2017 by Virginia
Temp. was 96.2, heart racing and chills...weight was 97...talked to PCP and he didn't think I needed to get blood test...he  said if I had sepsis I couldn't get out of bed. He's been my PCP for over thirty years and still doesn't know how fear of hubs can make me tenacious? More proof to Rooster MD's really don't want people to get well. If we weren't sick we wouldn't need them and they lose money. I believe he can hear it in my voice and is waiting/hoping I'll be admitted in the ER so they get more $ for their "firm"!
Apr 28, 2017 by Ladyhorse
Thank you Dan
Apr 23, 2017 by Virginia


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  • Born by the Willapa River 1944 in the timber outback of Southwest Washington State.
    Spending my retirement saving the world, and I am only 90% joking with that!