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Has Schumer scuttled Hillary?

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Jul 25 in Politics & Government ✌ by TheOtherTink (15,008 points)

“When you lose to somebody who has 40 percent popularity, you don’t blame other things — Comey, Russia — you blame yourself,” Schumer (D-N.Y.) told the Washington Post's Ed O'Keefe and David Weigel.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/24/charles-schumers-shot-at-hillary-clinton/?utm_term=.b471402b3311

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Virginia Jul 25

Hi O'Tink,

What I can tell you for certain is that I scuttled her...and it happened when the DNC pulled those shenanigans to remove Bernie Sanders out of her way. I knew I could not vote for Trump, but neither could I vote for Clinton.

I don't know a lot about politics, so if you can comment on this please do...but going deeper in links from your WaPost website, apparently the Democrats are in deeper political trouble than ever; Republicans dominate not only the Congress but also the governorships, the State legislatures. TheAtlantic.com has an opinion piece saying that with Trump, the Republican Party may be on a major turning point also - like something never seen since Goldwater in 1964. Goldwater lost badly, but his philosophy changed his party.

Here is one more guess, which would appreciate your (or anyone's) opinion; I have read the Democratic Party has sold out to big business conservative interests-as-usual, they are just a little bit slower about it than the Republicans. In other words, not much difference now between parties. No one is speaking now for the working class.

Well, not sure I answered your Q - so I will say yes, prolly Shumer is disavowing (if not scuttling) Clinton.

Hi Virginia,

As I see it, the Democrats have taken up the left-wing, Latin-American model: A corrupt, rich elite presiding over an impoverished majority dependent on government assistance, all financed by milking a shrinking middle class dry.

The Republicans are not much better, but at least they still pay lip service to middle class values.

Virginia Virginia Jul 26

Well O'Tink, I have ALWAYS had such great confidence in the USA democratic process but now I am worried :dizzy:, and I will tell you your comments are NOT very soothing...what you describe is largely how my reading is seeing it (although they don't really designate the party lines).  :sick:

I think we are in trouble, Virginia, but it's partly because of job elimination by computerization and robotics, to be fair to the politicians.

Rooster Jul 25

I didn't vote for either one of them but I really can't say who would be worse. Hillary's time has come and gone and it's time for some new blood! Bernie Sanders is a bit too liberal for my taste also.

WE NEED LEADERS WHO CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE!!!

TheOtherTink Rooster Jul 25

@ Rooster,

That's a tall order, considering the current crop.

I hope it doesn't take a disaster for such leaders to emerge. :(

Virginia Rooster Jul 26

O'Tink and Rooster, I am adjusting my thinking to the possibility of more disasters...still reeling from O'Tink's $20 Trillion national DEBT!??!!! 

I think I could have gone for Bernie...at least in preference to the other two...although I have concern his shift would be too sudden, too untried...

TheOtherTink Rooster Jul 26

Virginia, I think Bernie would have socked it to the middle class, as per the opinions expressed in this question:

http://ihavesolved.com/7121/bernie-sanders-becomes-president-obliterate-billionaires?show=7121#q7121

Virginia Rooster Jul 26

O'Tink I did go back and look at that Q again...I am gullible enough that I did believe Bernie, and still do, actually...

My concern while he was running was that if he were elected, he would get hamstrung by The Powers That Be. There is, however, no way to know if he actually might have tried to give the rich liberals a pass and gone (again) after the working class.

TheOtherTink Rooster Jul 27

Hi Virginia,

It's true that there is no way for sure of knowing that Bernie would have given rich liberals a pass, except to note that the rich can always move most of their assets offshore, something that the middle class can't really do.

So I suspect he would go, like Willy Sutton, to where the money is to finance his "free" college tuition, "free" healthcare, etc. And the middle class would end up paying for it the rest of their lives through higher taxation. :ermm:

BTW, when college is "free," I think we can expect a lot more "protests" like at Evergreen State, since the "students" wouldn't have any visible monetary skin in the game. I strongly suspect that most of the current "protesters" are there on publicly-funded assistance programs.

Virginia Rooster Jul 29

O'Tink (back online now after three days unable to post), your observations are very interesting...the offshore stuff, for example.

And your concern about more gratuitous protesting when college is 'free,' that is well-taken also. Recently, I have been recalling, and my own bachelor's degree took ten years; began junior college 1962, finished University of Washington 1972. Somehow, it DOES help to have monetary 'skin' in that game!

I will keep posting more Q's, I think...I learn lots, and prolly beneficial to others, perhaps?

Late addition: My cousin in semi-arid rural farm/ranch country of Eastern WA also sees Republican as the party of the people. Traditionally, it was supposed to be Democratic party speaking for the middle class values. Right now, I am guessing NEITHER does an adequate job of that!

TheOtherTink Rooster Jul 31

Hi Virginia,

I think your cousin is on to something.  We may be seeing a once-in-a-century transition between the parties. In the 1800s, the Democrats were pro-slavery and the Republicans were liberal (in the old sense). Then they gradually changed to Republicans being conservative and Democrats being liberal (in the modern sense) in the early 1900s. Now the Democrats seem to be moving towards rich liberal elites presiding, noblesse obligewise (laced with plenty of know-it-all hubris), over a dependent underclass, while the Republicans are moving towards the beleaguered middle class in alliance with rich conservative business interests.

And yes, you are right, Virginia, I don't much trust either party.  We're a long way from Cincinnatus. :(

Virginia Rooster Jul 31

O'Tink, your mention of Cincinnatus was a lovely review, recalling from grade school history...and now finding this in the Britannica website...

"(born 519?bc), Roman statesman who gained fame for his selfless devotion to the republic in times of crisis and for giving up the reins of power when the crisis was over."

You already know...he became dictator in the crisis, and then relinquished his position!

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